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Deism Podcasts


Welcome to the podcast page of the World Union of Deists! We are happy to offer Deism via podcasts. This is a great way to learn more about Deism and to get the word out about Deism. Below are our WUD Podcasts to date. We hope you enjoy them and find them thought provoking, moving and enlightening. We will have many more Deism podcasts in the future!


The host of our Deism Podcasts was Tim Wingate, Th.D. Tim did a wonderful job operating Deism Podcasts and interviewing guests. Unfortunately, Tim suffered from cancer and passed away on February 3, 2024. We're currently looking for someone with podcast experience to take up where Tim left off. It's important to carry on the Deism Podcasts in our efforts to reach people with Deism!


Click on the below links to listen to the Deism podcasts. To download a podcast audio file to your computer, right click on the link and select "Save link as" if you're using a Firefox or Google Chrome browser, select "Save target as" if you're using an Internet Explorer browser which will allow you to save the podcast to listen to it at your leisure and for future reference. Each podcast is about one hour long. We will be adding podcasts to the below links that are not yet live links as soon as time permits. And please be sure to let your family and friends know about Deism and these important thought-provoking podcasts! Thank you!

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Listen to our Deism Podcast interview with Rita Swan, the founder of Children’s Healthcare Is a Legal Duty (childrenshealthcare.org). (Rita Swan and her husband have retired, but they have helped to start ChildUSA which does the same important work as Children's Healthcare Is a Legal Duty. ChildUSA's site is www.childusa.org) Rita and her husband, Doug, have dedicated their lives to protecting children from being harmed and killed due to religious faith healing/neglect (as well as from other ways in which religions harm children).


In 1977 Rita and Doug lost their only son, Matthew, because of their reliance on the religious superstition of faith healing via the Christian Science Church. Ever since, Rita and Doug have been working tirelessly to save children from religion. They have some powerful success stories in their work to make it illegal to harm or kill children for religious reasons. (It's horribly sad that in this day and age there are not only people who believe in these ancient deadly superstitions, but there are laws on the books actually protecting people with such superstitions.) This interview is amazing in the depth of knowledge Rita shares with us. She has a true story of inspiration and accomplishment. If you care about helping and protecting children and value your innate God-given reason over faith/superstition, you will greatly enjoy this Deism podcast and will benefit from hearing it!


Our fellow active Deist, Tim Wingate, did an outstanding job conducting the interview as well as formatting the audio file. Click here to listen to part one of this important Deism Podcast, and click here to listen to part two.

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Listen to a Deism Podcast interview with actor and writer Ian Ruskin. Ian wrote, and plays the part of Thomas Paine, in the moving, educational and inspiring play To Begin the World Over Again - The Life of Thomas Paine. This thought provoking interview conducted by fellow Deist Tim Wingate, explores Ian’s training and background as an actor from England and covers in-depth his profound admiration and appreciation of Thomas Paine. The play, which has been turned into an outstanding film which will be distributed to PBS stations across America, Canada, England, New Zealand and France (and possibly other locations as well) is discussed in detail. Click here to listen to this Deism Podcast.

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Listen to a podcast recording of our live call in Internet radio show, God Gave Us Reason, Not Religion, which aired live on December 2, 2013. As freethinkers, Deists have different opinions about what God is -- and they also have unique perspectives on prayer. Listen to WUD Deputy Director and the show's host, Jayson X, and the show's co-host and WUD Deist Contact for Minnesota, Tim Wingate, Th.D., discuss prayer from their own Deistic perspectives. Tim includes his experience with a serious medical problem which has a survival rate of only about 1%. There are also a couple of interesting and thought provoking callers. Click here to listen to this show.

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Listen to a podcast recording of our live call in Internet radio show, God Gave Us Reason, Not Religion, which aired live on November 4, 2013. All Deists believe that God exists. But what is God? A man in the clouds? A deity who gives you direct revelation? A cosmic force? Or an entity that demands obedience? It's a lively thought provoking free exchange of ideas between our host, Jayson X and our co-host, Tim Wingate, Th.D. who does not agree with Jayson X on several points. There are also several callers with their interesting ideas and input about God. It's a very informative and thought provoking show, which, in addition, makes clear the true free thinking nature of Deism. Click here to listen to this show.


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Listen to a podcast recording of our live call in Internet radio show, God Gave Us Reason, Not Religion, which aired live on October 7, 2013. This is part three of our August 5th show about "Deism and Morality." It's a lively thought provoking free exchange of ideas between our host, Jayson X who embraces utilitarianism and believes it's a great fit with Deism, and our co-host, Tim Wingate, Th.D. who does not agree with Jayson X. It's a very informative and thought provoking show, which, in addition, makes clear the true free thinking nature of Deism. Click here to listen to this show.


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Listen to a podcast recording of our live call in Internet radio show, God Gave Us Reason, Not Religion, which aired live on September 1, 2013. This is part two of our August 5th show about "Deism and Morality." It's a lively thought provoking free exchange of ideas between our host, Jayson X who embraces utilitarianism and believes it's a great fit with Deism, and our co-host, Tim Wingate who does not agree with Jayson X. There are also a couple of thoughtful interesting callers who give their insight on the topic of Deism and morality. To listen to this show click here.


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Listen to a podcast recording of our live call in Internet radio show, God Gave Us Reason, Not Religion, which aired live on August 5, 2013. The topic of the show is "Deism and Morality" with fellow active Deist Henry Jones, M.D. For over 20 years Dr. Jones worked as a psychiatrist helping thousands of people suffering from mental illness. Dr. Jones is also a libertarian and this interesting show hosted by the show's host, Jayson X, and the show's co-host Tim Wingate, Th.D., focused mostly on Dr. Jones' libertarian beliefs from the perspective of a trained and experienced psychiatrist as well as covered some of his thought provoking book Psychological Evolution and the Invention of Evil. We hope to have Dr. Jones on again very soon and focus more on his knowledge of how Deism helps people to overcome their mental illnesses. To listen to this show click here.


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Listen to a podcast recording of our live call in Internet radio show, God Gave Us Reason, Not Religion, which aired live on July 1, 2013. The topic of this show is "What Deists believe about Jesus." The show's host, Jayson X, and the show's co-host, Tim Wingate, Th.D., do a great job of examining whether Jesus was a real person or simply a mythical person created by the ancient Jews to fulfill a need they had at that particular time and place. Also covered is Thomas Jefferson's belief that Jesus was a Deist who was trying to correct the Deism of the Jews. They also cover Cayetano Ripoll who was the last person murdered by the Catholic Church through its Spanish Inquisition on July 26, 1826. They murdered him because he was a Deist who was teaching other people about Deism. Click here to listen!



Listen to a podcast recording of our live call in Internet radio show, God Gave Us Reason, Not Religion, which aired live on June 3, 2013. This show is "The World Union of Deists' Declaration of Sinlessness." In this enlightening show host Jayson X and co-host Tim Wingate explain the profoundly liberating and fact-based ideas found in the 11 points of the WUD Declaration of Sinlessness! Click here to listen to part one and here to listen to part two.!



Listen to our three part Deism Podcast in which the host, Tim Wingate, conducts a fascinating interview with fellow Deist Henry Jones, M.D. Doctor Jones is a psychiatrist who has has seen "the healing power of Deism" greatly help his patients. The interview covers the amazing eBook by Dr. Jones, Psychological Evolution and the Invention of Evil: a Scientific Exposition. This powerful in-depth book gives the reader a very solid foundation of understanding the workings of "revealed"/hearsay religions as well as of priestcraft and statecraft. This thought provoking and inspiring interview will help everyone who listens to it to better protect themselves and their loved ones from the negative avoidable dangers of superstition and "revealed" religion plus have a deeper appreciation of Deism.


To listen to part one click here.

To listen to part two click here.

To listen to part three click here.



Listen to a podcast recording of our live call in Internet radio show, God Gave Us Reason, Not Religion, which aired live on May 6, 2013. This show is "Why Deism is Better Than Agnosticism and Atheism." This thought provoking show not only offers some interesting ideas, it also makes clear that Deists are free to disagree with each other as the show's host, Jayson X, and co-host, Tim Wingate, demonstrate! Click here to listen!



Listen to a podcast recording of our live call in Internet radio show, God Gave Us Reason, Not Religion, which aired live on April 1, 2013. This show is "Reason is Good. Faith is Evil." It is hosted by WUD Deputy Directory Jayson X and his co-host Tim Wingate. This is a very thought provoking show that should be shared with family and friends! Click here to listen!


Listen to a podcast recording of our live call in Internet radio show, God Gave Us Reason, Not Religion, which aired live on March 4, 2013. The WUD Deputy Director Jayson X and his co-host Tim Wingate both offer some very important and thought provoking ideas on why they believe in God. Every reason offered is firmly refreshingly grounded in reason and Nature! Click here to listen!


Listen to a podcast recording of our first monthly live Deism Internet talk radio show, God Gave Us Reason, Not Religion, hosted by WUD Deputy Director Jayson X. The topic of this informative and thought provoking show was "Thomas Jefferson and Deism." Tim Wingate was also on this show as was Deborah from www.goddiscussion.com along with Jefferson scholar and author Chris Rodda as well as other callers. Click here to listen!



Deism Podcast - December 19, 2012


Our eighth Deism Podcast is funny, entertaining and educational! Our podcast host Tim Wingate tells in a very amusing and engaging way his encounter at a mall with a man he knew years prior when they both attended the same Christian church. The Christian was on a mission at the mall to witness to the holiday shoppers about "Jesus being the reason for the season." Tim gave him a compact truth and reality based education about the true natural reason for the season! This podcast is loaded with important information Deists and freethinkers can use to educate sincere Christians and get them to appreciate Nature's God and God's gift to them of reason! Click here to listen to this Deism Podcast!


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First WUD Deism Podcast - July 3, 2012


This first podcast is a discussion between Tim Wingate a WUD Deist Contact for Minnesota and Bob Johnson, the founder and director of the World Union of Deists. It covers the basics of Deism and makes some important points about the importance of Deism and how we'd like to see Deism develop in the future. If you have any questions about anything Tim Wingate said you can ask him via email at tim@deism.com. If you have any questions about what Bob Johnson said you can send them to deism@deism.com. For general questions about Deism feel free to send them to either Tim or Bob and for suggestions about ways to improve our Deism podcasts or for topics you'd like to hear discussed please email Tim.


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Second WUD Deism Podcast - July 11, 2012


The second podcast (July 11, 2012) is a discussion between Tim and our World Union of Deists Deputy Director, Jayson X. (Jayson can't use his full name because he is a public school teacher in the Bible-belt and a single father who can't risk losing his position and income. We have examples of many Deists and revolutionaries such as Thomas Paine, Ben Franklin and Voltaire being forced to use a pseudonym.) This podcast is a fascinating discussion which covers Jayson leaving his "revealed" religion of Eastern Orthodox Christianity and the Orthodox Christian priesthood, as well as the extensive lesson plans Jayson developed for parents and grandparents who want to teach their children and grandchildren to be critical thinkers and to value their God-given reason as well as to educate them about Deism (the lesson plans are offered for free and can be found here). This thought provoking discussion also covers Thomas Jefferson's Bible (The Jefferson Bible) as well as the sick and damaging dogma of "original sin" and the myth of hell and why reason and Deism rejects them. If you have any questions about this podcast you can email Tim at mitetagniw@gmail.com and/or Jayson at jaysonx1776@gmail.com.


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Third Deism Podcast - July 18, 2012


This is a moving, riveting and thought-provoking powerful Deism podcast which absolutely everyone owes it to themselves to listen to at least once! Tim Wingate, the host of our WUD Deism Podcasts, has a fascinating discussion with our WUD Deist Contact for Scotland, Linda. Linda tells her very moving story of how she became a Deist. Linda and her husband were victims of "revealed" religious terrorism when the Islamic group al-Qaeda set-off a string of bombs in London on July 7, 2005. Unfortunately Linda's husband and soul-mate was killed and Linda was crippled. Linda talks about this horrific event and explains how it motivated her to take a closer look at religions. A Muslim friend gave her a copy of the Quran which Linda read. She realized that, like the Bible, the Quran has some teachings that promote peace but it also has many that promote violence against unbelievers. (One in particular which fits perfectly with the 7/7 attacks and comes to my mind is Surah 9:5 which reads in part, "slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush.")


Linda talks about why she rejected the various "revealed" religions as well as Atheism. She first read the words "Deism" and "Deist" in the book The God Delusion by the Atheist Richard Dawkins. (This is another powerful example of why Deists need to DO all they possibly can to get the word out about Deism! People shouldn't learn about Deism by happenstance, they should learn about it from Deists who care and who recognize the beauty and importance of Deism and all the good it can do if given the chance.) This sparked her to learn more about Deism so she read Thomas Paine's outstanding book The Age of Reason. She relates a humorous encounter she had with her former Christian clergyman while reading The Age of Reason in a cafe. Once she discovered Deism she realized that she is a Deist. She says Deism offers a "sense of security without giving up your right to think" and that Deism is the best way to get to know God.


I can't thank Linda enough for all the great work she's done for Deism in her local community and through her profound writings and now by doing this outstanding Deism podcast! Click here to listen to this important and wonderful Deism Podcast!


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Fourth Deism Podcast - August 11, 2012


Our fourth Deism Podcast is an interesting and thought provoking discussion between our Deism Podcast host Tim Wingate and Paul Mopps. Paul is our WUD Deist Contact for Washington State's Mt. Rainier area. Paul is an outstanding active Deist! This enlightening and engaging discussion covers how Paul came to be a Deist and why he opened up his home as the first Deism Reason Center (Paul has since had to stop using his home as a Deism Reason Center for security reasons. If you'd like to learn more about Deism Reason Centers read Deism: A Revolution in Religion, A Revolution in You and God Gave Us Reason, Not Religion.). Also covered is how and why Paul "evangelizes" for Deism virtually every where he goes, whether it's on a road trip on his Harley or going into town for groceries. He makes some very important and valid points of why Deists should DO all we can to educate other people about Deism. Paul is always planting seeds for Deism and is a shining example for all Deists! Click here to listen to this Deism Podcast!


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Fifth Deism Podcast - August 15, 2012


Who is better, Jesus or Superman? This Deism Podcast is a discussion between the host of our Deism Podcasts Tim Wingate and his brother Mark. Mark has a unique and effective way of dealing with "revealed"/hearsay religionists who insist on pushing their religion on him. This podcast is loaded with important points and lots of humor! Both Mark and Tim were born into a Pentecostal family and have a deep knowledge of Christianity. In fact, Tim has a doctorate in theology. And this Deism Podcast does answer the question of who is better, Jesus or Superman! Click here to listen to this Deism Podcast!


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Sixth Deism Podcast - August 20, 2012


This is the sixth Deism Podcast and contains a great discussion between our Deism Podcast host Tim Wingate and the Deputy Director of the World Union of Deists Jayson X. Tim and Jayson discuss the recent event in which Christian pseudo-historian David Barton had his best-selling book, The Jefferson Lies, pulled by his Christian publisher. The reason they pulled the book is because it has too many factual errors/lies in it. This should give pause to Christians who have bought the lie that America was founded by Christians as a Christian nation. They also cover other topics such as some positive aspects of Deism, the use of fear by the "revealed"/hearsay religions, the Higgs boson, and much more! Click here to listen to this Deism Podcast!


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Seventh Deism Podcast - September 3, 2012


The fear of Satan, devils and demons is very powerful! It helps clergy of "revealed"/hearsay religions to control people and it causes people to kill other people through exorcisms in attempts to force one or more imaginary demons to leave the body of the person who is believed to be possessed. It also caused a mother of five to murder all five of her sons because she sincerely thought that if she did not kill her own innocent children then Satan would get their souls for all eternity. This Deism Podcast, Devils, Demons and Darkness, will help a lot of people because it sheds light on the origins of beliefs in Satan, Lucifer, devils, demons and hell. In this very informative and intriguing discussion between Tim Wingate, the host of Deism Podcasts, and Jayson X, the Deputy Director of the World Union of Deists, very important points are made such as the concept of devils as being from people and not from God as well as Jesus being the same as Lucifer. These two Deists are very qualified to teach on this important topic as Tim has a Doctor in Theology degree and Jayson is a former Eastern Orthodox Christian priest. This podcast runs 1 hour and 45 minutes. Please share it with anyone you think would be interested in it and particularly anyone you know who is currently suffering from beliefs in Satan, demons and devils. As the great scientist Marie Currie said, "Nothing in life is to be feared, it is only to be understood. Now is the time to understand more, so that we may fear less." This seventh Deism Podcast goes a long way in doing exactly that!

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